political columnist for "time" magazine and music connoisseur, joe klein. joe, i've got to tell you, i am kicking myself because i am in chicago, and one of the two or three people that would be on my bucket list to meet, of course, paul mccartney, number one. but i've got to say, number two's got to be for me, paul simon. paul simon going to be with us next hour. and i'm going to miss it. i mean, you've got to put him up there among the top two, three, four songwriters in rock history, right? >> not just songwriter, but he's one of the most adventurous musicians. >> no doubt about it. >> graceland was such a breakthrough that it inspired musicians all the way down to, you know, vampire weekend now. >> yeah, no doubt about it. of course, he just -- he keeps experimenting, keeps moving forward. it's very exciting. well, listen. we've also got some politics to talk about, joe klein. >> do we have to? >> i know!